7.31.2006

Mommybloggings

Lest you think BlogHer was one big Sex and the City weekend, albeit without the sex--and come to think of it, not a whole lotta city--there was more to it.

Yes there were deep conversations and amazing connections and women that I feel fairly confident will remain my friends for a good long time. But while I'd like to say that there were hundreds of fists raised towards the sky in womanly solidarity at every turn, in reality there was a little more divisiveness than I would have liked. Not amongst the "mommybloggers," by the way, who were anything but cliquey or exclusionary; but between the "mommybloggers" and the other women.

Having spent the better part of my life as the twenty/thirty-something single gal, I used to write a lot about the alienation I felt from friends who had spawned, and about the toils of being a non-breeder in a breedercentric world. Singledom is a hard habit to break and as such, I still have a knee-jerk response to allign myself with the one gal in the circle not able to contribute an opinion about the Wiggles or a light little anecdote about mucus plugs. And so, I cringed just a little when a representative from conference sponsor Johnson & Johnson got up on stage and addressed the entire 750 person group about the corporation's relationship with mothers, and their new site for mothers, and helping mothers, and what great mothers we all are, mothers mothers mothers.

As a registration volunteer with the high-powered responsibility of handing out schwag bags, I also had a front seat view of the faces of non-mommybloggers when they dug through and found their PBS Kids calendar and Minti bib. Because only a few years ago, I'd have been one of them. I'd be the one thinking, Bibs? Dude, where's my NOW sticker? Where's my This is What a Feminist Looks Like tee? Where's my damn free pair of Jimmy Choos?

And yet, for all my sensitivity, nearly every time I attempted to strike up a conversation with a stranger on line for the bar or the bathroom or the bar or the other bar, I'd introduce myself and be met with, Ohhhhh...so you're a Mommyblogger. We're talking like nine out of ten times. And this doesn't include the lovely Erica who graciously handed me her last drink ticket to stop me from whining about having to pay for a Yahootini. I found myself backpedaling about the subject matter of my blog more than I found myself connecting with people who I might otherwise have found a lot in common with. And that, as they say, sucks my ass.

While the debate on mommyblogger as a term has hit the blogworld several times since I began Mom-101, I have pretty much stayed out of it. Mostly, because there are so many social factors involved, I haven't adequately been able to articulate my position. But the mild undercurrent of animosity towards the mothers this weekend (and I must be clear here, it wasn't intense; I'm just hypersensitive to divisiveness) and the demeaning use of the term--by other women bloggers no less!--forced me to put down the cocktails for three seconds and figure out exactly what's been bothering me so much about it.

Through the figuring and the thinking and the talking, especially with Catherine, the rock star question asker of the entire conference, I believe I have a theory. (Theory formulation! Critical thinking! See, BlogHer was good for more than just the pasties.)

I have never once called myself a Mommyblogger, not without a heavy dose of irony. I admit in fact to cringing when I hear myself described that way. I tend to say instead, "I have a parenting blog."

And yet, I often feel the need to offer a disclaimer. "I have a parenting blog, but..."

But...it's funny.

But...I can also discuss Bush's heinous disregard for the Kyoto treaty and the potential impact for generations to come.

But...hey, do you like Journey? Wait til you hear my new ringtone!

Saying "while I write about my child, I think really what I do is look at social issues, politics, pop culture, and my own feelings about work and the world through the eyes of a new mother" is a wee bit verbose in most contexts. Mommyblogger it is. Blech.

It's not that blogging about our children is such a horrible thing. I mean, Dooce can make washing a bottle more interesting than most women could make a menage-a-trois with George Clooney and Johnny Depp. But in my opinion, the diminutive, mommy, automatically demeans whatever it is the author has to say. That no matter how many degrees she holds, how many times she uses words like ostensibly and onomatopoeia, she's still writing something trivial.

Or worse, she's a trivial writer.

I would no more refer to Anne Lamott as a mommywriter than I would refer to Zora Neil Hurston as chicklit.

Yet it was Mary Tsao who truly opened my eyes to another point of view when she told me not just that she didn't mind the title, but how she actually likes it. It has given her writing focus, provided career opportunities, created friendships. And then Maritt Ingman, the woman I will now redirect my stalking attentions towards, made the brilliant point in the BlogHer mommyblogging panel that there is not feminism but feminisms.

And suddenly it all clicked.

There isn't mommyblogging, there is mommybloggings.

There are two groups as far as I can see. There are writers who came to blogs as another medium in which to hone their craft. The community of kindred spirits found through blogging is a wonderful and rewarding but altogether unexpected side benefit. These are the women - me included - for whom the term is inherently limiting. It tells men, older parents, the childless, this writing is not for you. And there is no writer who wants to alienate a potential reader before he or she has even read word one.

The second group of mommybloggers are women who came to blogs as a way to find a community of like-minded people and develop more meaningful relationships than those found in a chat room or an online message board. The writing itself was perhaps secondary to the friendships--or maybe it became more important as time went on. For these women, mommyblogging is entirely the opposite of limiting. It's downright freeing. It's a portal to wonderful things, opening far more doors than it closes.

I'm not proposing that we further subdivide the community of parenting blogs, nor do I have a suggestion as to how (or whether at all) to reframe the language. I just want us to start understanding one another just a little bit better.

And, boobs and booze aside, in the end, that's what BlogHer was really all about.

119 Comments:

Blogger Stephanie A. said...

I LOVE this post. Anytime I'm at a gathering I always feel marginalized because I'm not 100% mommy, not 100% non-mommy. It's so complicated for me socially. I'm glad you touched on this subject.

Great post!

7/31/06 11:42 AM  
Blogger lynsalyns said...

I find I write less and less about being a parent, and more about being a person. I'm not always happy that I "neglect" to write about my experiences as a "mommy" - and I LOVE being a mommy. But at the same time, my writing works better when I don't try and force myself to articulate feelings that, franky, defy my ability to use words.

I am not surprised by the division. I saw it all the time in the workplace between women my age and women who came of age during the ERA era. All we can hope to do is keep fighting for unity among ALL kinds of women.

Gah. Was that long enough??

7/31/06 11:45 AM  
Anonymous Mother said...

And the value inherent to all of them...

I think, for reasons that are probably quite obvious (hits, universal interest) that folks that write a blog that not a lot of people read feel that their work (at various levels) might not be valuable.

Sure, you value you own work - but it's nice to have other people say "hey, I love that too."

So, I think a lot of people skipped out on that thing out in San Jose because they thought perhaps their blog was not something that afforded them the "status" to go.

However, as you most beautifully put, it is about the mommyblogging(s) - the multitudes of facets that blogging as a mother brings.

7/31/06 11:53 AM  
Anonymous MetroDad said...

Some of the funniest, brightest and most talented writers I know fall under the "mommyblogger" category. Many of them (like YOU) are FAR better writers than those who might blog regularly about "more serious" subjects. So if other people choose to be divisive and derivative of those of us blogging about parenthood, then screw 'em! Personally, I've always enjoyed reading all the different types of blogs that are out there and would never put a blogger down based on how they chose to identify themselves.

...except for those "women with 20 cats" blogs. Those bitches are crazy!

7/31/06 11:53 AM  
Blogger KathyB said...

Great post!

7/31/06 11:55 AM  
Blogger Piece of Work said...

I don't know, I think there's probably a lot more than two types of mommybloggers. I myself don't fall into either category you list. I didn't notice a division between mommies and non-mommies so much as a division between people who really take themselves and their blogs seriously, and people who don't. Well, actually, I noticed a ton of divisions, alignments, and cliques, so I should just shut up now.

7/31/06 12:22 PM  
Blogger metro mama said...

Very interesting post. Maybe it's naive of me, but I'm surprised you had that reaction from the non-mommy bloggers.

The other thing I find strange is there are people I know who I've told about my blog and I don't think they read me. I think the reason is because they assume it's "just" a mommy blog.

Or, maybe I'm just dull.

7/31/06 12:29 PM  
Anonymous Kristin said...

You are one of the most provocative, intelligent writers in the blogosphere - mommyblogger or not.

Thanks for the summary.

7/31/06 12:37 PM  
Anonymous Jamie said...

LOL...what MetroDad said.

What a great post. Personally I just tell people I have a "blog." I don't even mention mommyblogger, although I don't really have a problem with being called that. I think it's an internal blogging thing, though. I mean my family and friends just say I have a blog. There is no mommy to it, although "mom" is part of my blog name but being a mother is a huge part of what makes me tick. But you are right. I believe the term mommy may unintentionally conjure up mental images of blogger lightweights.

7/31/06 12:38 PM  
Blogger toyfoto said...

This is a great post. I really don't have any answers either, but I do have opinions. I look back at my 20-something days, when I'd get pissed off at having to work holidays so the family folks could spend it at home with the kids, and feel guilty. Back then I had NO idea what it meant to have to have a sick kid. I just thought of equity. Although, I'm trying not to turn my perspective 180 degrees and lash out at the 20 somethings who took my place.

I've been thinking a lot about equity, recently, and wrote about it (from a gender perspective), but I have to admit that I've come to a kind of fatalistic conclusion. Life just isn't fair. And it won't ever be fair because no one has the same needs as anyone else.

I guess I just think this is something we all have to workout ourselves. We have to negotiate a life we choose, and that means some amount of compromise.

But, as always, I'm probably wrong.

7/31/06 12:43 PM  
Blogger Mom101 said...

Amy, I agree, there are many types of mommybloggers. But from what I can see, people are generally divided into two camps of rejecting or accepting the title and this is simply my theory as to how their opinions might be formed. Of course there are certainly bloggers right in the middle who don't care either way.

As for the perceived cliques of the weekend, I'm sorry to hear you felt that way. I saw very broad groups interracting all weekend - dooce with "no name" bloggers, Amalah having drinks with women she'd never met before and so on. I didn't sense any aloofness at all--it was like a big conversation and anyone could inject themselves in it.

Smaller circles did form towards the end of the conference when a bit of "big group fatigue" set in. I think also, as the "everybody party together WHOOOO!" stuff wears off, it becomes more enriching (and essential) to have more intimate conversations with fewer people at once. I enjoyed doing this with everyone from the Bloggers You Know to the bloggers you don't. But I can only speak for myself.

7/31/06 12:54 PM  
Blogger Amy said...

Somewhere in the blogosphere this weekend I left a comment saying this, although probably not so well. I first blogged for the purpose of honing the craft - that is truly my main purpose - but found that also it was a way of connecting. For me they are sometimes intertwined and sometimes not. Very astute observation, Mom101, and though I'm not surprised you saw it and were able to verbalize it, considering the amount of alcohol consumed, it's really all that much more amazing!!!!

7/31/06 1:06 PM  
Blogger Piece of Work said...

I didn't mean for my comment to sound bitchy, and I don't mean that the whole conference sucked, or that everyone was clique-y. I had a great time, and loved meeting my blog friends and making new ones. But I do think there was a lot of divisiveness there, I think that a lot of people were more concerned with being seen with popular bloggers than anything else, and that surprised me. And, honestly, I think the whole thing was a little weird--in a subculture, microcosm kind of way. I didn't find the conference to be nearly as supportive and understanding as I find my own personal blog and the community I've formed there to be--and that felt strange to me. Then again, a lot of those feelings could stem from my social anxiety; maybe I'm just projecting my own insecurities.

7/31/06 1:17 PM  
Blogger tracey said...

You took my feelings and put them to beautiful words. Being a part of this community (whatever anyone wants to cal it) is indeed a 'portal to wonderful things' and doors AND windows are flying open for me everyday. Being at BlogHer was fun, informative and very enlightening on so many levels.
I can't begin to tell you how much I enjoyed meeting you. Having a lovely face to go with your amazing writing makes it all the sweeter for me.

7/31/06 1:21 PM  
Blogger nonlineargirl said...

As someone who has only written professionally in a "make this 500 page report on medicaid into a 2 page executive summary" kind of way, I didn't start blogging to hone my craft (in any case, it certainly doesn't feel like it is getting any better). From this perspective, your dichotomy reads as "there are writers and there are mommies". I know that is not intended to paint the latter in a negative light. Seeing myself in the latter group, I don't so much mind being a "mommy", but do wish I had something to stick before the /mom in people's mental profile of me. Not that being a policy wonk isn't fufilling, but it is a ton less glamorous than writer. (and working for the gov't, it is not like the pay is any better!) That's all a long way of saying, I don't feel defensive about my mommy status, but I do feel a bit dorky when I see myself in that latter group.

7/31/06 1:22 PM  
Anonymous Lisa V said...

Great post. Like you, I started answering "personal blog" to everyone. I almost hesitated saying I had children because it sometimes would shut down the conversation with women who didn't. I write about my life. My life includes my children. It also includes education, adoption, trashy television and once in awhile rants about politics and culture.

I honestly didn't see cliques. Bloggers with much bigger and much smaller followings eqaully welcomed me into their conversations. Everyone was very gracious and inclusive. The other people have to remember is that some of these people are friends outside the conference. They only see each other sporadically. It's natural they would want to talk to each other. We saw this with many groups at blogher, it's just more obvious with people we all recognize.

I had a great time. I went alone. I made connections with people and was so happy to be with other bloggers. I will go next year, and encourage my blogging buddies to go.

7/31/06 1:23 PM  
Blogger Kathy said...

I’ve known people who would roll their eyes when anything kid related came up in a conversation. And then they had kids, and then all of the sudden they’re all about kids. I think there are bloggers who just don’t relate, because they don’t know anything about it, and therefore don’t find the Too Young for Chutes and Ladders post hilarious.

7/31/06 1:23 PM  
Blogger Damselfly said...

Wow ... sniff ... my brain is so full and enriched now. I'm overwhelmed. What a thoughtful post.

And here I thought BlogHer was just a techy Girls Gone Wild event, judging by everyone's photos of those pasties! =:+[]

7/31/06 1:26 PM  
Blogger jennster said...

i just wanted to say that you are hot. mommy blogger or not. can i touch your boobs?

7/31/06 1:50 PM  
Blogger Momma to LG said...

It was great to have met you. Next year I will put my shyness aside and join the group more.

Great post! Who knew being a mommy blogger would be so controversal??

7/31/06 1:57 PM  
Anonymous reluctant housewife said...

I love it when you get all thoughtful and deep!

Yet why do people feel the need to create exclusive labels - even between the momwriters and the chatroom mommies? I didn't go to blogher, but I've seen a lot of putting people/blogs down because they decide to focus their writing on the parenting experience. I have yet to see anyone saying that craft bloggers only think about yarn or food bloggers have foodie brain.

In the end, I'm not bothered by the people who don't have kids and don't get it. Like ToyFoto said, we were once in their shoes.

Also "mommyblogging" has brought me more satisfaction, inspiration and opportunities than marketing or travel writing. I'm proud to be a mommyblogger.

7/31/06 1:57 PM  
Anonymous Kvetch said...

I don't usually double-dip in the comment sections but I wanted to read what others said on this topic. I love the term "personal blog" and have used it often. Liz you have touched a cord with many, as usual. Kudos.

7/31/06 1:58 PM  
Blogger Kristin said...

Well, Dooce definitely has me on talent, but I will still happily take the Depp/Clooney love-fest!

Wonderful post Mom-101(or, now that I have seen your pasties on black tank top in about a frillion Flickr photos, can I call you Liz?)

Your stalker,
Kristin

The Mommyblogger who often forgets to mention her kids. ;-)

7/31/06 2:07 PM  
Blogger Jill said...

I dunno, I would bet that most of your readers put themselves in the first category in the sense that it is about the writing first and the friendships second. I also say don't be afraid of the mommyblogger tag. It's just another label. If some people use it derisively, that's their problem for failing to see the content. Co-opt that term right back from em'. Power to the Mommies! And power to Metrodad for wading into the perceived estrogen.

7/31/06 2:33 PM  
Anonymous Izzy said...

I could speak volumes on these topics and not say it any better (though i will probably fumble through it all at some point). Simply put, you are right on target here.

What I actually came here to say is that I adored meeting you and wish ever so much that we'd had more time to just talk. You were seriously fabulous in the most graceful (and gracious) way. {{big hug}}

7/31/06 2:56 PM  
Blogger GIRL'S GONE CHILD said...

I loved looking at all of your pics and reading about the festivities! I'm so glad you all had such a great time!

7/31/06 2:58 PM  
Blogger bubandpie said...

I relate to both the categories you've outlined (though I agree with those who see a clear hierarchy between the real writers and the mere mommies). By the time I discovered the blogosphere, I was already very excited about the idea of writing as a mom. I had been reading Anne Lamott and Catherine Newman, and I had bought Andrea Buchanan's essay anthologies, so I was eager to try my hand at writing about motherhood in a way that would be moving but not sentimental, funny but not cute, original yet universal. It's not easy to do, and I'm only gradually learning how to do it. But it's very addictive because when you succeed, you tap into such a very deep chord of recognition.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I've always been happy to identify myself as a mommy-blogger precisely because I think of myself as a writer.

7/31/06 3:12 PM  
Blogger Mom101 said...

Yikes, I certainly hope this didn't come across as mommies v writers (to the death!) - not my intent. However I think some people did come to it as writer/mommy versus others who came to it as mommy/writer and there is a distinction - not necessarily in the quality of the writing but in the purpose of the blog and therefore in the perception of the label.

Nonlinear Girl: You ARE a writer. You write. Case closed. I'll punch anyone who says otherwise.

And wow, I love all these different perspectives. More! More! Damn, maybe we should have had fewer cocktails and more socratic seminars this weekend.

7/31/06 3:23 PM  
Blogger Mrs. Davis said...

What a great analysis. I think a lot of other bloggers are annoyed/confused by the mom bloggers who are blogging as a way of finding or building community, because it's so different than other types of blogging. It's almost as though some of these moms have entirely re-purposed blogging.

I was baffled by the community aspect of blogging at first, and sometimes I still am. Since I bonded with a great group of mom friends through a message board after my first son was born, I guess I have the attitude of "that was good enough for me, why isn't it good enough for the rest of you?" Even though I know that's not a great attitude.

7/31/06 3:25 PM  
Blogger Her Bad Mother said...

You and I talked about this all weekend, so you know that I agree 150% (that extra fifty is for the Socratic pastie-wearer dimension, which remains unexplored but nonetheless deserves enthusiastic agreement.)

As I said at some point, and as I think you make clear here, the two categories aren't mutually exclusive, not by a long shot. I, like you, view myself as a writer first, but at the same time have made community-building here a pet project. But I love the community for the writing, for the space that it affords me, and you, and so many others. It's a community built around parenting, but there are lots of those. I love this community because it's like a big co-operative seminar made up of people who happen to have children and who love their children and who 'use' their children as inspiration to write about all measure of things.

And the little tremors of division? Yeah. They were what they were. Gonna have to talk about that chez moi. But cliqueyness among the bloggers who are mothers? I didn't see it. I saw friendships form and intensify, and clusters form around those friendships, but there was nothing closed about any group that I saw.

7/31/06 3:40 PM  
Blogger Her Bad Mother said...

Space for WRITING. WRITING seminar. Blech. No sleep. Fucking American Airlines.

7/31/06 3:42 PM  
Anonymous chelle said...

I was not a writer per say before I blogged. I have a university degree so I have written stuff, boring, research stuff, but I a writer no. Did I start blogging to write better? Yes. Is it all about my kid. Sometimes, but I hope it is more about me being a mommy and how I deal with the adventure. My kid rocks at being a kid. Me as a Mommy...work in progress...

7/31/06 3:47 PM  
Blogger Jaelithe said...

You know, I always thought before I ever had a blog that if I ever started a blog, I would write about politics. And religion. And academic stuff, and stuff.

I would think and think about starting a blog like that, but I never did.

And then one day I was moved to despair as a parent over the mystery ailment affecting my child, and having no good parent friends in real life, and knowing that the few childless friends I'd managed to retain post-child had no comfort or advice to offer and were in fact sick to death of hearing me go on about my kid, I found myself pouring my troubles out onto a blank page on the internet. A cry in the wilderness, so to speak.

And lo, the mommybloggers were there.

I never knew how much I needed the community until I found it.

And now, my blog is almost all about my mundane concerns as an ordinary suburban housewife, and my child.

And I often find myself irrationally afraid to write about politics, or religion, or academic stuff, because I am irrationally afraid of alienating my tiny audience.

Weird, huh?

7/31/06 3:48 PM  
Anonymous Mir said...

I agree about not seeing the cliqueyness amongst the mommybloggers, and being somewhat shocked at the reaction of some of the non-mommybloggers. But, um, apparently I'm a little naive. What with being busy breeding, and all. ;)

7/31/06 3:48 PM  
Anonymous Elizabeth said...

What Izzy said, and what Mrs. Davis said, I'd like to second those thoughts. It was wonderful to meet you, even though I felt like I was running a mile a minute and didn't really get to sit and talk to you one-on-one. Let's try to do that next year.

As for the conference, I know we don't want to give a certain blogger any extra traffic by linking to her, but I was shocked, as was everyone else, that someone had such mean-spirited and downright cruel things to say about Mommybloggers as a group. Yes, we probably were the largest group there, but next year it could be tech bloggers or food bloggers or political bloggers. I personally spoke to many people who wrote all kinds of different blogs. It's called blogHER, not blogMommy. Everyone is welcome.

7/31/06 3:49 PM  
Anonymous supa said...

It was awesome to meet you, however briefly -- I would definitely have loved to discuss things like this with you, but I was too busy being shy and waiting in line for wine.

I agree with their being two types of mommybloggers, but also with Piece of Work who said there are probably more divisions than that. I think that gets back to why a lot of people have a problem with the term: We're definitely not a group you can just lump under one name. We're very diverse in our reasons and techniques for writing.

7/31/06 4:13 PM  
Anonymous Leah said...

I wish we had gotten around to talking about my personal crusade, which is to get the bitterness to stop by showing non-mommys how to appreciate all the wonderful parenting blogs out there. For those of us who plan to become parents, these blogs offer a wealth of information, not to mention feedback and community, that goes above and beyond any other resource out there. And for women (or men) who don't plan to become parents, reading about people who are can be a valuable window into understanding how their friends and family WITH children are living their lives. If everyone could just chill out and realize that there is value in groups we don't necessarily belong to, we'd all be much happier.

That said, I maybe cried a little when I got the Minti bib.

7/31/06 4:24 PM  
Blogger J's Mommy said...

I think you have a great point. I definitely see the divide within the "mommybloggers." I tend to think of myself as one who started a blog to reach out to other moms and be part of a community where I don't feel guilty or inadequate as a mom. However, I consider myself a writer so I try to blend both aspects into my blog. Not sure if it works but thanks for making me think about it.

7/31/06 4:34 PM  
Anonymous wordgirl said...

...and of course all of my opinions come from recaps of BlogHer that I've been reading. I'm a mother and a blogger, but I was a writer before either one and that's the way I choose to see myself. I've only heard vague murmerings about the whole mommy vs. non-mommy thing. I've not heard anyone call out any one person in a cruel way. Maybe I'm not looking the right places. Given my own intense insecurities, I could have attended BlogHer and come away with a bagful of perceptions (true or false) regarding whether or not I fit in. Too old? From the wrong state? Not blogging long enough? My kids aren't small and good fodder for stories? Jeebus, I could see two distinct scenarios emerging from attending. Either I would be holed up in my room and afraid to occupy the same airspace as well-known bloggers, or I would have partied so hard that I wound up on the wrong plane and sleeping in Grace Davis' spare bedroom.
I can identify with those who had a fabulous time and I can sympathize with those who felt left out. Like I said in my post today...I wasn't even there and yet I still have an opinion. Hope it wasn't perceived as hurtful in any way.

7/31/06 4:45 PM  
Blogger nonlineargirl said...

recommenting to say thanks for the support. You brought up a good way of thinking about this, and it has me thinking about why I don't put "writer" in my this/that self-characterization. Thanks for giving me some good stuff to chew on.

7/31/06 4:58 PM  
Anonymous mothergoosemouse said...

I remember that conversation, and I thought then - as I still do now - that it was a brilliant realization.

As I've said before, I shy away from labels or categorization of any kind due to the inherent divisiveness, as well as the inaccuracy of cramming complex (and changing) views into broad descriptors. While I don't hate the term, I find it just as incomplete a descriptor as many others that might be applied to me.

7/31/06 5:06 PM  
Blogger TweedleDea said...

Oh I am so jelous that you were there! I couldn't get tickets. Anyhow I like your point of view on blogging. I like to think that mine is an outlet to be creative and to say what I want to when I want to. I don't think there is a theme to my blog at all, except the constant, uhm me!

7/31/06 5:25 PM  
Anonymous jess said...

That was an excellent post! Wow. I thin the idea of writer/mommy or mommy/writer is bang on. I think part of it is the question that some people struggle with: "is blogging really writing?"

I would say a hands down yes! I think for some it's not so easy when blogging is wrapped up in links, comments, subscribers and ads.

Also, as an aside, i felt like i gave you the wrong impression all weekend. I'm not a snob, just paralyzed by anxiety in social situations.

7/31/06 5:47 PM  
Blogger bea said...

Hey Mom-101, you know my feelings on the insensitive nature of some moms towards those without kids (whether we want them or not), but I side with you on this one. It shouldn't be a divisive factor, this 'mommy-blogger' title - I admire and appreciate the varying points of view bloggers like you and Dooce offer. In fact, it's your wisdome (laugh if you like) I look to! So, kids or not, your points of view are valued - not because you're a mommy blogger, but because you take the time and effort to share your ideas through blogging.

7/31/06 6:16 PM  
Blogger Lisa said...

Sounds like you all got alot out of the conference. And you are beautiful. Saw your pics!

7/31/06 6:29 PM  
Blogger Mary-LUE said...

I didn't do the BlogHer thing, but I can see how things could happen the way you describe, Liz. (May I call you Liz?) I know that any label, no matter its technical accuracy can be used to dismiss. I once had a professor who, on hearing I am a Christian, immediately said to me, "Oh. You must love C.S. Lewis." He then proceeded to discount my intellect for the rest of the semester. ??? Frustrating and not fair. I think that was one of my first "grown up" experiences with being completely dismissed because of a label. Back in May, I wrote this about my blogging identity:

"I don't want to be a mommy blogger. Don't get me wrong. I love the mommy bloggers. I have quite a few bookmarked and bloglined. It is all part of a bigger "Mary" issue. I just don't like to be labeled. Feminist. Stay at home mom. Mommy blogger. Instead of rebel without a cause, I guess you can just call me rebel without a label. Unless, of course, it is a label I take on for myself: Christian, ENFP, bookworm. If I feel that I am being labeled, it makes me want to scream out, "But that's not all I am!" This falls squarely into the realm of my problem, so I hope I haven't offended anyone, because I am a feminist, a stay at home mom, a mommy blogger. Whew. I said it and the sky didn't fall in."

Ultimately, I think I have had to learn to appreciate those wonderful people who don't automatically put people into neat categories so they don't have to be bothered getting to know them. And really, I think those people are pretty rare.

7/31/06 6:49 PM  
Blogger Ruth Dynamite said...

Wow - I'm late to the party once again. I join you all, mid sip, and nod along with a vigorous "Yes. Yes. Yes."

Mom 101, you are a perceptive, intelligent, and engaging writer - as are so many of the mommy bloggers I've come across since I began my blogging escapades a few months ago. "Personal blog" or otherwise, I read your blog and dozens of other "mommy blogs" because they're smart, funny, and unapologetically raw.

Not all women feel secure enough to let it all hang out, to expose real-life frailties and confess the utter joys and sorrows of being a mother/wife/sister/colleague/whatever. But those who do invariably connect with others, and those connections are real.

Perhaps those looks of disdain you felt and/or experienced at BlogHer mask twinges of jealousy by the non-mommy bloggers? Just a thought. Thanks for a thought-provoking post.

7/31/06 7:26 PM  
Anonymous andrea from the fishbowl said...

Great post. You've summed up a lot of things about mommyblogging that I've been thinking about too. (And I didn't even attend BlogHer! Would I have wanted to? That's a different story...)

I can honestly say that when I started blogging eight years ago (this was even before it was called blogging!)I would have been lumped into the mommybloggers group. I can no longer say this is true. I write about ME. And I am a lot more than a mom.

7/31/06 7:34 PM  
Anonymous Alice said...

Brilliant.

7/31/06 8:05 PM  
Blogger Heather said...

I very much enjoyed this post, and think the various cliques (perceived or real) within blogging could be a master's thesis in sociology (ah grad school fantasies, mental refuge of the disgruntled lawyer).

I very much think that the whole mommyblogger/blogger thing really comes from our need to label and categorize people to understand them. If we can shove them into a box full of our perceptions then it's easier to deal with them.

For me? I'm not a parent (we're just not ready for a family yet) and I read blogs because I enjoy the writing. If anyting I've noticed that kid-less bloggers aren't as well regarded as part of the blogging world, but I'm also super sensitive about divisiveness (or it could also be that my blog sucks). :P

Finally, from the recaps I've read I gather that putting down one's cocktail for even a few seconds at BlogHer is totally an accomplishment in and of itself.

7/31/06 8:39 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

I dare you to make cool shirts . I dare you - double dog dare you.

7/31/06 9:25 PM  
Blogger Mrs. Chicky said...

I'm always amazed at the amount of baby-centric posts I create because I never would have thought, going into this blog thing, that I would focus so much on my baby and less on me. And I have to admit that even though I write a lot about my family (I writes what I knows) that in the beginning I bristled at the term "Mommyblogger" but it was more because I hate labels. Hate me because I suck, but don't hate because I'm a mom who writes about her kid. I'd actually prefer that you don't hate me at all(and that's the collective 'you' btw, not you specifically) and you LOVE me. But I'm needy like that.

Sorry to hear there was a division. I guess that was bound to happen.

7/31/06 9:35 PM  
Anonymous Jill Urbane, The Mentor Mom said...

Can't we all just get along?

(Great post...very insightful!)

7/31/06 9:51 PM  
Blogger Carmen said...

This was a superbly written post, and I agree with you 100%. I just wanted you to know that I was very happy to meet you, although I'm certain that you don't remember me. I enjoyed hearing your wisdom.

7/31/06 10:12 PM  
Anonymous wood from sweetjuniper said...

great post, great comments. I don't think I can add anything that hasn't been said, but you've given us all more to think over.

great meeting you at blogher. is it sleazy of me to mention your boobs again? especially when everyone is having such a serious discussion? oops, I think I did it already. great boobs, lady. great boobs.

7/31/06 10:35 PM  
Blogger NursePam said...

Wow! I don't even know what to say. I am the quintessential NonMom. And I don't get it.

Maybe being over 50 makes one more comfortable with who one is and therefore less likely to feel the need to make irrelevant distinctions.

However you or others may identify your blog, it's wonderful.

7/31/06 10:43 PM  
Blogger Overwhelmed! said...

I'm so glad you went to BlogHer and are sharing your insights with those of us who didn't go. I appreciate it.

I'm so new to blogging (just reached my 100th post) that I'm not even sure how I define myself. Originally, I began blogging to record our adoption journey. Now I blog as a creative outlet and as a community building effort. I love it! Sure, I blog about my son, but I blog about so much more too.

7/31/06 11:17 PM  
Blogger carrie said...

That was quite enlightening, thank you. Since I don't follow the subculture of blogging as obediently as maybe I should (since I am participating in it) I had no idea that there was this sort of division amongst bloggers. You are very right when you say that we should all "understand one another just a little bit better". It is too bad that the conference was geared (from the sounds of it) mostly towards the "mommies" and excluded the other women, after all it was BlogHer, not BlogMama, right? But, still I loved your perspective.

Carrie

7/31/06 11:59 PM  
Anonymous Auntie Fred said...

Wait just a minute. Let's reevaluate this...washing bottles more interesting than George, Johnny and whomever????? Lets get real. She can't be that good a writer...can she?

8/1/06 12:05 AM  
Blogger Mom101 said...

Carrie, to clarify - the conference wasn't at all mama centric. If you go to the site and look at the schedule, of dozens of panels and discussion groups, only one was about mommyblogging.

It was simply the sponsors who were mothercentric. After all, that's where the $ is.

8/1/06 12:06 AM  
Blogger Stephanie T. said...

I hate, hate, hate labels. They are so limiting. Hell, to me, you and many other of my fave bloggers, are smart, witty, talented writers who just happen to be mothers. If you weren't a "mommy" I'd still read your blog and enjoy it just as much.

8/1/06 12:23 AM  
Anonymous Jill Asher said...

Hello!
I wish that I had a chance to meet you this weekend.
I want you to know that here in Silicon Valley (the heart of high tech and blogging), mommy bloggers are cool - REALLY! We at Silicon Valley Moms Blog are PROUD to be mommy bloggers! We dig the name, title and all that goes with it!

Hopefully, we can meet in the future!

Jill Asher
Co-Founder, Silicon Valley Moms Blog
http://www.svmoms.com

8/1/06 12:30 AM  
Blogger Queso said...

Brilliant post. I'm so with you on this one.

8/1/06 12:48 AM  
Blogger Lisa Stone said...

Yes, you're right, we had a single panel on mommyblogging(s).

Thanks for your thoughtful essay - I so enjoyed meeting you.

8/1/06 1:08 AM  
Blogger MommyWithAttitude said...

Great post. I'm totally in the "came to write and unexpectedly found so much more" category. I don't really "mind" being called a "mommyblogger," but there are about a million other things I like to (or WOULD like to) write about too. Maybe not a million, but a good several at least.

When I started blogging I thought my big "in your face" attitude about motherhood was just SO edgy and SO original that I just MUST get it out there because hey, I was going to start the next craze... and then I got here and... here you all were. LOL So blogging for me has definitely evolved into something greater than I never intended.

8/1/06 1:12 AM  
Blogger MommyWithAttitude said...

Correction: greater than I EVER intended. Sorry.

8/1/06 1:13 AM  
Blogger margalit said...

I don't consider myself a mommybloggger although I have no problem with the term or the fact that I am a mommy and I am a blogger. I just feel the term is somewhat limiting, especially since most of us write so much more than just about our children and mommying.

Wordnerd and I agree that are are probably more divisions than the two you came up with.

I'm 54... I would have felt positively ancient along with all the young blond mommies at Blogher, and if someone pinched my boobs I'd head for the hills. I'm not a prude, I just don't like to be touched!

I'm Jewish, and the Jewish blogging contingent didn't go to blogher.

I eat Kosher food, so I couldn't eat anything there.

My kids are teenagers and my baby days are long since over.

A Minti bib? What would I do with that?

I think infertility bloggers might have been uncomfortable with the mommytalk and might not have attended.

I think older moms might have felt uncomfortable amongst so many younguns.

I think male bloggers felt like they weren't welcome just from the title.

I think moms of older kids feel odd because we're so far out of the diapers/sleep/breast vs bottle issues.

I think a lot of the religious bloggers, regardless of religion, din't go because they would have felt uncomfortable with the partying and language.

There are so many divisions just between the various mom factions, and then when you add in the child-free, the infertile, the unmarried and unattached, and the 'we're not ready yet' non-mommies, you've got a lot of deviseness. It's too bad that so many women felt that at Blogher. Your post wasn't the first I've read that said just that.

But with all that, I have no clue as to why so many people have their panties in a twist about one freaking post by an unknown blogger about how she hates MommyBlogging. So what? She put it on her blog, she's entitled to her opinion. If you don't agree, either comment or ignore her. But really, isn't it silly to either intimate that it was an unmitigated disaster by mentioning it on your blog, or by getting so upset about it?

Lots of people write things all the time I don't agree with. I read some blogs and think "those poor kids are going to end up in endless therapy when they're older" but I don't blog about it. I just move on to the next blog in my feed.

She didn't mention any names. She was just venting. If it's OK for you to vent, then why isn't it OK for her?

That is the part of mommyblogging I don't particularly like. The "circle your wagons" and 'throw out the hate' if someone doesn't agree with your opinion. Personally, I think it would behoove every single one of us to be a bit more inclusive and a bit less quick to spew annoyance at people that don't agree with your opinion. Isn't that what blogging is all about? Opinions, and discussions? Who wants to be in a mutual admiration society where every word you say is gazed upon with rapture? That's BORING.

8/1/06 2:19 AM  
Blogger Mary Tsao said...

Having been a professional writer, I don't doubt that I am a writer. That's the easy part.

The mommy thing? That's much harder for me, and I am much less sure of myself in that role.

Identifying as a mommyblogger makes me feel I might actually be succeeding in both areas. Sometimes. Maybe. Hopefully...

8/1/06 2:46 AM  
Anonymous krista said...

Imagine telling people you write a knitting blog- I think people run for the hills 1.5 seconds faster when you say that one!

Insightful post as usual.

8/1/06 7:19 AM  
Blogger Waya said...

You know I have never thought of myself as a mommyblogger. I tell my friends I have a blog where I rant and rave about things that come to mind, if they care to read it.

It's an outlet for me to go and get connected with the many women who are also bloggers but a Mom as well.

I read blogs that I find relevant to my own experience and FUNNY. I need to have some humor in my life b/c this child rearing thing is HARD! And to have other Mommy bloggers say so, really helps make this staying at home thing less insane.

8/1/06 8:21 AM  
Anonymous Chookooloonks said...

Fabulous processing of the BlogHer vibe, and really insightful thoughts. Thanks so much for sharing your words.

K.

8/1/06 9:17 AM  
Anonymous Hope (Mom of Tess) said...

This is really interesting. I've struggled with a name for my "momblog" (guess I'm yet a third group that considers herself MOM and not MOMMY). I've struggled with the fact that I want to write about how I can't figure out my Treo or how I hate my job, and that makes me think it's not really a momblog, mommyblog(1) or mommyblog(2). But in the end this struggle just keeps me from writing so I'm going to agree with Mary Tsao and say that I'm a momblogger because it helps me focus and in the end that's what I need to write. It's a general theme, and if I talk about technology or politics that's ok too. I really wish I could have gone to Blogher to see all of this.

8/1/06 10:03 AM  
Blogger Marie said...

I don't know that anyone really enjoys being labeled, except if it's something cutting edge, fresh,... avant garde.... which, of course, the term "mommyblogger" ain't.

For me, it's the quality of the writing, the friendship, or some other connection that keeps me going back to a particular blog.

Sounds like you all had an incredibly fabulous time!!!

8/1/06 10:06 AM  
Blogger Christy said...

I'm a little late on this bandwagon, but.... thanks for giving me something to think about. I started my blog so I could write. Then I stayed with it as I developed friendships and enjoyed the praise. I think our blogs evolve and change as our lives do. I wonder what "they" will call us when our kidlets are off to University? Do I still retain the "mommy blogger" title with an empty nest?

8/1/06 10:17 AM  
Anonymous Gurukarm said...

This was a really interesting post and while I haven't read through all the comments (maybe half), I wanted to chime in a bit.

I started a blog because for me, it's a way of putting things down "out of the way" and not keeping them roiling around in my head all the time (I used to write a paper journal for the same reason). But it's also because I'd like to be heard. I'd like to connect with others - and I feel I've done that, at least to the extent that I've found a huge number of wonderful writers who also happen to be young mothers/mothers of young children. And I comment on a lot of blogs.

Which brings me to my last thought - I'm also a mom, writing a bit about the kiddos, but my kids are, respectively, an incredible man of 36, an almost-adult of 18, and a nearly-teen 12 1/2 yo. So for me, it's a lot of fun to read and revisit those baby/toddler/preschool years so many of you are in now. And perhaps offer thoughts about what's coming in their futures! :-)

And I HATE the word "mommy" - my kids have always called me mom, or mama - mommy is the whiniest sound, to me... (say it with me: "moommmmyyy - he hit me! mooommmmyyyy, she's touching me! mooommmmyyyy, I don't LIKE broccoli" - so I kept it out of my house :-) )

Thanks for your thoughtful post!

8/1/06 10:36 AM  
Anonymous Chase said...

Great post, lady!

Minus the one womnan that stood up in the last keynote and said, "...because some of us don't HAVE kids...", I didn't see the separation or tension at all.

Of course, that could just be me, never noticing anything like that. Me with no desire for kids. Me who went to and LOVED the Mommyblogger panel (though the air conditioning sucked!). Me who sat at every meal with at least one 'mommyblogger'.

I personally don't care what 'kind' of blog anyone has - as long as it's good writing, I'm all about it. I read mostly mommybloggers, actually, because there are so many talented ones whom I admire. With that, I read a few "I don't want no danged rugrats" blogs, too...but only because of their ability as writers. There are just as many mommybloggers and NonParents that I DON'T read because they don't interest me.

It was so great to meet and chat with you this weekend! We'll have to do it again next year. Chicago, baby!

8/1/06 10:52 AM  
Blogger Chantal said...

Good job. I've been following links, reading about some small amounts of controversy that took place and thinking.

I've never put that much thought into the classification of my blog. If it's in my head and thought provoking, I'll write about it. It just so happens that right now, most things in my head are about being a parent.

I've often said "This is my life ... right now." It's not my life forever. I know that my life will change as my kids get older. I have plans as to who I want to be and I look forward to it.

I like what Chase said. Mommyblogger or not, if you make me think/laugh/cry, I'll read it.

8/1/06 11:01 AM  
Anonymous Nancy said...

I didn't see the mommy vs. nonmommy tension in the groups of bloggers assembled, though I did see that sort of focus with the sponsors, etc. I honestly think that the sponsors were just trying to reach out in any way they could -- I mean, would the female condom people really be gearing themselves toward moms? Probably not. So us moms ended up with extra condoms and the non-moms had the unwanted bibs. ;-)

I definitely realize there were bloggers there with different ambitions -- some there to promote their own site, others to hear the tech talk, others to just meet and greet bloggers they've come to know through the online arena. Ultimately I like to think we all share a love of writing, of the medium, even though we use it as a means to different ends. So that's how I chose to think of myself -- as a blogger, a writer, who happens to be a mom but is also a wife, a worker, an individual. So no, I don't use the term Mommyblogger (and really I don't use many labels at all).

This sort of dovetails with a conversation I had with several others after the session on identity (which unfortunately happened at the same time as the Mommybloggers session with Alice et al.) One of the subjects was whether or not we as bloggers "represent" a particular nationality, race, religion. The bloggers in the session widely varied on their feelings. My opinion is that I represent only myself. So I guess this is how I will try too look at everyone else this way, too -- to let the individuality shine through, regardless of labels.

8/1/06 11:42 AM  
Anonymous Nancy said...

gah. bad grammar. too little sleep, too much time on plane.

8/1/06 11:43 AM  
Blogger Andrea said...

I find I get more flak from non-bloggers when they find out I have a blog rather than other bloggers I've met. I find myself explaining my reasoning more for having a blog than the nature of my blog. Being a blogger period sets me apart from most people, though I have yet to meet someone strictly through blogging who is not also a mommy blogger. I do read non-mommy blogs though, and on a couple of occasions when a pregnancy is announced, invariably the comments show some people unwilling to adapt with the blog author as (s)he embarks on the parenthood adventure. Laments of "Is this going to become a mommy blog?" are common. It's a shame to be pigeonholed that way.

8/1/06 12:25 PM  
Blogger gingajoy said...

i am back in the blogworld again, and catching up on my blogher recounts.
i spent 8 hours in a car talking with my friend about women's writing and autobiography and the sticky politics of mommyblogging--and i have to say this post is just brilliant (if mildly depressing).

we want to (re)claim the notion of mommyblogging as a radical act, but we just can't shirk the fact that if you stick the term "mommy" in front of anything, it becomes "lesser" "flimsier" "not as intelligent..." or even martha-stewart cultish...

like you, i claim the title (although my blog title does not use "mom" in the title, and I wonder if that makes a difference) but my writing is about much much more for me--but mothering is a trope we all gather around and build our network upon.

fascinating stuff. thanks for sharing.

oh and the tittie pictures are awesome too. MORE MORE MORE!

8/1/06 12:27 PM  
Blogger Mom101 said...

Margalit: I wrote a long response but deleted it. I'm happy to discuss further with you by email if you'd like.

I'll just say that there is a difference between "venting" and a cruel, hurtful character assasination in a public forum. Her post was neither constructive, thoughful, nor purposeful, it was contrary to the spirit of the weekend, and I'm sorry, phrases like "I'd like to rip your ovaries out" transcend venting.

If you compare what I do on this blog with what she does on hers, then I'm pretty insulted.

8/1/06 1:41 PM